new york city is new york city. at a time when we're in the greatest near economic depression, since the depression. and i think that the experience that most of the journalists have today in this area is very different than the experience that most americans have. >> i would be willing to concede that and you're certainly right that romney to many in the press corps what was an outsider. but during the two years he ran for president, he didn't really make much of a serious effort to develop those relationships and didn't do a lot of interviews starting with print reporters and your campaign, i don't blame you for this, but your campaign's press shop was notorious among journalists for being difficult to get reached, to get to comment on things. looking back, was that a mistake? it's hard to circumvent this giant machine called the main stream media. >> i think we did a lot more interviews than the president did. we were a lot -- >> at the local level. >> we were, oh, we did a lot of national press. and we did a lot